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BBC News - Key reason 'found' for gum and heart disease link

Seeded on Sun Sep 5, 2010 11:03 PM EDT
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The link between gum and heart problems has long been recognised but it is unclear if poor oral health is simply a marker of a person's general wellbeing.

UK and Irish experts now say bacteria enter the bloodstream via sore gums and deposit a clot-forming protein.

The findings are being presented at a meeting of the Society for General Microbiology.

Earlier this year a Scottish study of more than 11,000 people found people who did not brush their teeth twice a day were at increased risk of heart disease.

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spudpundit

OK. I'll be the first to bring it up.

So I guess they had the whole country for a study group, eh? <rimshot>

Anyway, seems that the bacteria increases the clotting factor, which increases the possibility of a heart attack.

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Reply#1 - Sun Sep 5, 2010 11:05 PM EDT
Physicist-retired

spudpundit,

I first heard about this phenomena in about 1998. I didn't believe it at all - after all, people who don't brush their teeth also (probably) don't exercise, eat right, etc.

My friend, who ran Colgate-Palmolive's research facility at the time disagreed. He thought there really was something to the relationship between gum disease, inflammation, and heart disease. Looks like he was right.

Guess I'll stick to physics...

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
spudpundit

Guess I'll stick to physics...

Skepticism is always a good thing, both in science and politics. That you were able to change your mind based on evidence is all that matters. :-)

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 2:21 PM EDT
Physicist-retired

spudpundit,

ALWAYS open to new data!

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#1.3 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 2:26 PM EDT
Wintersnows

The sad part about this in America is that not only do many people not have any health insurance but even among those who do, dental care is rarely included. This is really showing that it can be life and death how someone's teeth are cared for. All the brushing in the world won't help when teeth are rotting in one's mouth. Another reason for universal health care in the US, including dental and eye care.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
spudpundit

My wife's on Medicare for a disability and the situation is still that way. They'll pay for an examination and cleaning. After that you're on your own. Most government plans consider caps and dentures "cosmetic" so the only option is pulling. Watch COPS for half an hour and count the po' folk that don't have a teeth in their head for that reason.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
Wintersnows

we don't have dental either. One of my kids has very soft teeth. We are still paying off the dentist for cavities. My MIL also had her teeth pulled because that was the only choice. She did get dentures though on medicare. Is that by state?

Maybe its medicaid, the one you get when you are older.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 5:13 PM EDT
Physicist-retired

spudpundit,

I must say that I found the science behind this article to be simply amazing. I've been thinking about it all afternoon, and it makes complete sense to me now.

I love scientific research. Thanks so much for seeding this link. I don't know if I would have seen it otherwise.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
spudpundit

Maybe its medicaid, the one you get when you are older.

Usually -care when you're older or disabled, -caid when you're broke and need help.
Sometimes you get both. I think -caid goes by state. I can't remember all the details of an episode in Idaho a few years back where an old woman had her teeth pulled expecting, under the plan, to get dentures. She was denied and the director of the program said something in front of people that she could just gum her food. After the s--t storm died down the lady got her dentures.

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#1.8 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 5:54 PM EDT
spudpundit

I love scientific research.

I'm the same. It appears they kept seeing a statistical coincidence and chased it down until they could figure it out. A detective story played out in the lab.

Thanks so much for seeding this link. I don't know if I would have seen it otherwise.

Glad you spotted it.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 5:56 PM EDT
Wintersnows

it also goes to show why when we mess with our bodies in one part we get unintended consequences aka side effects that we never counted on. And that is just the system of a relatively (compared to bacteria say) from of life on one planet.

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#1.10 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
spudpundit

And that is just the system of a relatively (compared to bacteria say) from of life on one planet.

Plus, as we carry more bacteria with us than cells, it seems logical to look into what they're seeking to do in the body and how that affects us.

  • 2 votes
#1.11 - Mon Sep 6, 2010 9:41 PM EDT
Wintersnows

sure does, as right now we seem to use the sledgehammer method when dealing with bacteria, maybe it is a mistake.

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#1.12 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 1:12 AM EDT
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spudpundit

I just found a piece on Science Daily regarding bacteria showing charitable behavior. I'll post it as a seed, but here's the link until then:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100901132157.htm

We really know bupkus about the stuff that's floating all around us.

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT
Wintersnows

I think you are right about that. We just go in and kill everything and then wonder why things went wrong. I know without bacteria in your gut, you basically starve . So I think we need them to break down our food so we can absorb vitamins and other stuff too. I am going to read your article now. Sounds interesting.

Read it. That really is fascinating. This really points to the idea that maybe instead of antibiotics, we might be able to find ways to get the bacteria that are making us sick, wipe themselves out, leaving the benign or beneficial bacterial in tact.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Tue Sep 7, 2010 9:14 PM EDT
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